Black vs. African American


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So last week, I got a call from my landlord about a couple that just moved into my apartment complex. My landlord, an old Australian hippie guy-- nice as hell-- just wanted to let me know that the woman of the pair that had just moved in was deathly terrified of dogs, so if I or my wife were walking the dogs around the apartment, we should probably say our howdy-do's from a distance, lest the poor woman have a heart attack.

This couple that moved in are black, but when I was talking to my landlord, there was this painful few seconds of silence as I could almost hear him sliently struggling to try and make the decision to mention that they're black or if there was a more PC way for me to recognize them without using their skin color. But in a small apartment building where everyone else is white, probably the darker skin color is the best identfier. There's nothing discriminatory in that, it's just a trait. If they were redheads, one would say "the redheaded couple". But he wanted to try and be PC, but it ust wasn't working, so finally he stuttered out "the African-American couple"... and it sort of made me laugh on the inside because I find the term African-American sort of stupid, overly generic and non-descriptive. John Kerry's wife is African-American, but she's not black. Barack Obama is half African, half white, and many in the black community, when he first announced his candidacy, argued whether he was really "Black" in the American sense, since he was raised by whites.

Nobody like the term African-American, except for newscasters. Newscasters fucking love it, and they're probably the only ones.

At my last job, I worked on the second story of a three story building. On the third floor was an insurance office. There were two black guys from the insurance company that I used to see all the time outside on smoke breaks and they were great for having intelligent discussions on politcs, news and et cetera. They almost always took their smoke breaks together, always getting into some really fun, deep discussion on something. Usually, when no one else was around, or when they didn't think anyone else was around-- like if I were smoking just around the corner-- they would usually talk about politics, news and issues relating to the black community. And not once did they ever use the term African-American. Not unless there were white people around, and then they used the term with the same awkwardness that everyone else does.

I guess the problem is that if you say "African-American", there's absolutely no doubt that you're trying your best to be respectful to a group fo people by referring to their heritage, not their skin color, but for people who are black, who were generations and generations ago descendents of slaves, the term African-American is just not really descriptive. On the other hand, "black" is right there on the verge of being "negro" or "colored"... something once perfectly acceptable, and at least for "negro", is just as descriptive in the same way one would say "redheaded" or "freckled" or "tanned", but it developed a bad rap over time.

When I was going to school in Michigan, I worked at a Whole Foods, where I worked with this awesomely weird white and black couple from New York City. The husband had been in a band in NYC with Steve Shelley, the drummer for Sonic Youth and one winter he invited me to go sledding with him and his wife and Steve Shelley and Thurston Moore and Kim Gordon and kids and it was a fucking blast. Anyway, they rejected all ethnic labels at all in favor of "Aki Bulan" (I think), which is Swahili for "Child of Africa" (or something like that). It's a cool term, one that begs for a Kumbayah world where we completely are ignorant of the color of somebody's skin, but that's honestly never gonna happen, if for no other reason than skin color, even the most minor of variations will always be used as descriptor for someone else, even when most of the time it's completely harmless.

Wow that was a long rant... sorry about that... I got on a roll.

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Damnit.  I thought this

Damnit.  I thought this thread was going to be about how real Africans dislike American blacks.  I saw a cool fight one time between a African and a black.  The black dude picked the skinny African guy up and slammed him into a concrete wall.  The funny part was the exact second the dude hit the wall the black guy yelled "Faggot!".  I couldn't stop laughing.

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Hell, *I* thought it was

Hell, *I* thought it was going to be a FOTD.  Imagine my disappointment when I saw no chocolatey goodness and instead had to wade through all this we-are-the-world dribble.  After many years, I have come to the conclusion that there are only two kinds of people:  Me, and Not-Me.

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I work in a jail, racism is a

I work in a jail, racism is a real and daily thing at work.  "I have actually been called a "white devil", but racism is a real thing.  You don't know where to say black or african-american.  So PC is thrown out the door in sake of sensibility (one of the few places) if they "look" blakc or hispanic, then thats what they are.  It is wierd.  Kinda related to your story.  Sorry.

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What I kinda thinks sucks is

What I kinda thinks sucks is the whole predicament it puts us non-racists into.  My black friends are cool with me calling them black or chocolate or whatever, but that's probably because they know I'm not racist.  But I think our culture has made us overly sensitive to racial stuff.  Being a white kid from Michigan, and growing up surrounded by Mexican-Americans in southwest Texas, I sort of know what it feels like to be a minority, and I never thought it was a huge deal.  I literally was one of five white people in my high school's graduating class.  But I guess white-brown racial tension was never really as high as white-black tension so who knows.  But I don't really see importance of having to refer to a stranger as "African-American" vs "black".  But then again, I live in a different part of the country, and El Paso's black people are mostly military so they have a different perspective.  But maybe one day, we'll all just be some homogenized race of 'Americans' and people will pull up the archives of this website and laugh at the quaint little conversations we're having.

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Segregation is natural

People self segregate all the time.  Remember in high school how groups of similar people sat together at the cafeteria?  There were groups of Puerto Ricans, groups of Mexicans, groups of Koreans, groups of blacks and groups of whites.

There are many examples of this phenomenon but the point is that we instinctively collect and categorize things, including ourselves.  So even if we were to become ethnically homogeneous we would still find ways of categorizing and separating ourselves from others.  Like whether you're left handed or right handed; whether you open your hard boiled egg on the wide end or the tapered end.  The borderles utopia will never exist.

I define racism as recognizing an individual's ethnicity.  And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.  Problems arise from bigotry and prejudice; allowing your preconceptions, prompted by racism, to inspire fear and taint your ability to recognize people as individuals rather than group representatives.  The shit hits the fan when we wrongly act on those fears.

I use the word "wrongly" because, like legends, prejudice is based on truth.  At some point enough people behaved in such a fashion that the behavior became associated with the classification of those persons.  Blacks like watermelon, women can't park for shit, etc.  When you act with prejudice you are assuming that the individual at hand participates in a particular behavior.  This is tantamount to considering someone guilty until proven otherwise.

So, the fuck with PC.  Earn the respect of others and grant respect as earned by individuals for who they are.

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Food for thought

Ok, so let me shed some kind of light on this...since I am black

 

I have honestly thought that the term "African America" is like say Mr. President vs. Mr. Obama.  I know what you mean Cranberry, when folks will be squeamish because they don't know what to use when they are talking about races, I actually find it funny :)

 

Think about it....we all know people are black/white/tanned/mixed whatever...but the term "African America" is just a way for PC hungry people to not just say black.  I haven't really heard anyone complain.  If someone said, "hey, aren't you black?"  I wouldn't be offended by it, since at least they said that and not like, "hey negro!" 

 

But if you were say.....in the workplace....the "correct" way without pissing folks off would be "African American" 

 

I'll admit though, that I have used both, and for some reason, I have a problem calling people white...I usually say caucasion, I don't know, maybe I am just weird like that, but I find it more respectful (my opinion mind you) to say caucasion vs. white in most conversations, although when around co-workers it's African American or if I with friends, it's black. 

 

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I have no problem with the

I have no problem with the term white, myself. It's just a mental form of shorthand --- it could mean pink and freckly all the way up to blindingly white. It's just a mental container for us to store information in, and the brain loves generic containers. To an extent, terms like African American and Native American muddy our language a bit. They aren't just descriptive; they imply guilt.

I'm not in favor of what happened in the past, but I'm also not going to take personal responsibility for what happened 150 years ago. Not that it matters, but my ancestors were poor Irish potato farmers who came over in the late 1800s, so they missed out on all of the slavery and Indian killing that went on. They did face a much milder form of discrimination (much like mexican immigrants today), so they weren't totally left out. I am not, however, an Irish American.

As George Carlin would say, it's not the words you have to worry about, it's the racist bastard who is using them that you should be concerned with. There's a big difference between saying "Hey, look at that black couple over there" and "It's all because of the goddamn blacks", and substituting words isn't going to change the context of those sentences.

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in a way, i think it's too

in a way, i think it's too bad that "Oriental" fell out of favor. It's more descriptive than "Asian" if you don't actually know what country someone's from. Asia's a big damn place, from Armenia to Indonesia, where as when one refers to the Orient, you're only talking about east Asia.

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agreed, the biggest part of

agreed, the biggest part of russia is in asia, but most people wouldn't refer to someone from siberia as asian.

 

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there are black people from

there are black people from other continents than africa and there are white skinned people from africa, so the term african-american is totally pointless. I know no one who is actually offended by the term "black" when used in freindly conversation.

The term african american sounds more offensive to me, it i were in that position. It sounds patronizing, like the whole country is too uncomfortable to use your skin color descriptively.

as was already pointed out, you would think nothing of refering to the "red headed couple" or the "tall couple". the traits are no more controllable that the color of your skin. so why is skin color such a profane topic?

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I would like to see all

I would like to see all hyphen-Americans drop the hyphen. To me, it's like putting whatever your hyphen is before the country you're living in. I was born in America, raised here, and have black skin. Besides my skin, I'm about as African as the Daily Show or Major League Baseball. I think it's about the same for any one born here. There's something special about the US we live in today. It's like if you embrace this country, and learn the rules, you can have most of what you want (some of y'all want some sick shit, and it's good for you to not have it. seriously). 

I don't take offence to any of the PC terms, because they come from trying not to piss me off. 

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Confusing the kids

My sons grew up outside the USA, but they were taught to use "African-American" at their international school.

Unfortunately, they now think Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela  are African-Americans.

 

 

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